Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:56:40 -0000
To: wwwanderers@yahoogroups.com
From: "Kirby Urner" <kirby.urner@gmail.com>
Subject: Regarding Zwick's paper (Urner)



There's a somewhat thin overlap in lineage, twixt Zwick and Urner.

Some of my favorite systems guys he doesn't cite, chiefly Fuller.

The philosophy department was for me mostly about Nietzsche and
Wittgenstein. I had to switch to Religion a few times to get the
best Wittgenstein teachers (e.g. Vic Preller).[1]

However, we're both into Boulding (a Quaker economist).

Zwick talks about "despair" in connection with the "two magisteriums"
concept, in some dimension taking issue with Rabbi Armstrong's
teachings regarding an inevitableness in this twoness-in-processing
design, potentially connecting us to the Penrose's "noncomputable"
(as well as Godel's "incomplete").

We're endowed with an "illogic chip" as well as a "logic chip" and
sometimes the former is simply better and faster, much to the
dismay of the logical side. But the logical side is never the whole
story.

Sometimes religion runs with that dharma-ball, sometimes science,
but probably more often religion since logical thinking is the
*core business* of science (is what makes it so tasty and crunchy,
not too mushy and dumbed down).

Not a cause of despair, this dual chip design (more of relief),
according to Armstrong.[2]

Anyway, I'm not able to make it tonight: a suddenly called meeting
of some local buckaneers has flared up on my radar.

I hope this feeble attempt at feedback will serve in my place.

Kirby

[1] http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/A97/88/82E40/index.xml

[2] http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/aphiloview2.html